tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34037941.post3581019976552740834..comments2023-12-16T00:29:00.782-05:00Comments on Dark Parables - Reviews from a Christian Sister: The Centurion's servant-son-partnerCarole McDonnellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15443401088634718848noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34037941.post-37869977150952283132008-10-21T18:19:00.000-04:002008-10-21T18:19:00.000-04:00Hello!I am contacting you because I am working wit...Hello!<BR/><BR/>I am contacting you because I am working with the authors of a book about blogs, and I'd like to request permission to use a photograph of yours in this book. Please contact me at matt@wefeelfine.org, and I'd be happy to give you more information about the project. Please paste a link to your blog in the subject field. Your assistance is greatly appreciated.<BR/><BR/>Sincerely,<BR/><BR/>Matt<BR/>matt@wefeelfine.orgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34037941.post-24900661925864712132008-06-23T16:51:00.000-04:002008-06-23T16:51:00.000-04:00Hi Seraph:Read A Strong Delusion for a discussion ...Hi Seraph:<BR/><BR/>Read A Strong Delusion for a discussion on homosexuality. It's a good book and I'm too out of it right now to actually explain everything wrong with your argument.<BR/><BR/>As for the wiring argument, I know only a few gay folks who really believe they were created gay by nature or science. Many of the males were adopted, violated as boys, grew up in a family of sisters or without a dad or were awash with feminine emotions around the time of their birth which has a high correlation with homosexuality in many countries. <BR/><BR/>But again as to wiring. Being wired differently is not an excuse in the Bible. If you look at the laws of Leviticus and Deuteronomy, you'll see that that argument doesn't really matter to the Deity. Nor do most of us accept the "wiring" argument in the case of other situations. If a person before or after birth is affected by some physical situation or medical situation or emotional situation that affects them, we don't say, "Oh let's accept it!" Generally, society tries to repair it. <BR/><BR/>I'll tell you that in college I was called a fruit fly -- another term for fag hag-- and throughout the years my closest friends have been gay or lesbian. So I'm pretty cool with gay folks. But they have also been pretty cool and honest with me. Like my buddy Matilda over at www.nobodypasses.blogspot.com I think that it would help the gay cause best if those folks who know why they are gay were only honest and were to say "I know what happened to me. I wasn't created gay by God but life has done this thing to my sexuality." Heck, that's what I do when I talk about my own sexuality. It's more honest. As for those who don't know why they are gay, they should be honest about what the Bible actually says and search to see if what the gay theology is saying is actually right. <BR/><BR/>Remember, when it comes to ancient manuscripts, the letters in the Bible are pretty much the most common. There are about 10,000 pieces of the Bible all over. On the other hand there is only one or two copies of Oedipus Rex and twelve copies of Caesar's autobiography. Remember that cultures such as the hittites, folks like Pontius Pilate, David, and Solomon were mentioned in the Bible and historians thought those folks didn't exist because there was no external extra-Biblical correlation. UNTIL they found mentions in other archeological digs. So when someone says that a particular word wasn't used in a particular way....they should allow that it is quite possible that A) the person who told them that hasn't read all the new archeological finds B) has read them and is simply being selective about mentioning them, C) has read them and simply does not understand enoug. I always am very careful about theologies based in an agenda. And remember, you're dealing with a woman who has seen friends die of AIDS and has gone on gay marches. I also had gay theologians -- important in their day and important now so I won't mention their names-- as my ministers while I was in the episcopalian churhc. <BR/><BR/>So I'm not trying to make anyone's life difficult. But I know my Bible and I know a lot about gay theology. Anyways, it's honesty that heals the soul...not agenda. Exodus International is a great resource for a clearer understanding on that Baal/Canaanite/hospitality and all that other stuff the gay theologians throw at us.Carole McDonnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15443401088634718848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34037941.post-27880824794747495012008-06-23T15:47:00.000-04:002008-06-23T15:47:00.000-04:00Hey Carole!Good thoughts. I just wanted to add a c...Hey Carole!<BR/><BR/>Good thoughts. I just wanted to add a couple of my own. You say that it would take wishful thinking to apply all passages thought to be about homosexuality to Baal worship. Well, let's examine them.<BR/><BR/>1 Corinthians 6:9 uses the word "arsenokoites". What does it mean? The very first times we see it used outside of the New Testament, it refers to child abduction (the Sibylline Oracles) and is used in 125 AD by the Christian writer Aristides, who is speaking of the abduction of the shepherd boy Ganymede by the god Zeus to be his cupbearer and sexual servant. Both times, then, it has to do with kidnapping boys for sexual purposes.<BR/><BR/>Then there is Romans 1, but if you read the whole chapter carefully, you will see it has to do with idolatry. In the historical context, as Rick pointed out to you, it is clear that as an *illustration* of the terrible results of idolatry Paul is referring to the example of the worshipers of Cybele, the goddess who had many worshipers in Corinth (where the epistle was sent from) and in Rome (where it was being sent to). Her worshipers turned away from the natural knowledge of God taught even by their own philosophers, and instead worshiped idols in the form of humans (Cybele in her chariot), four footed beasts (lions) and reptiles (snakes). Her "Galli" priests not only cut their arms til they bled, but they *castrated* themselves, dressed as women, and played the part of women in same-sex temple prostitution. What a terrible "penalty" for their error! And "even the women" devotees of Cybele were fitted with artificial phalli to play the part of men in temple prostitution. Paul then goes on to list the various sins that flow from rejecting God -- murder, disobedience to parents, etc.<BR/><BR/>It should be evident that the Romans 1 passage has *nothing* to do with gay and lesbian Christians who have been reared in the church, have known and loved and prayed to Jesus since childhood, who have certainly not worshiped idols, but who just happen to be wired toward falling in love with persons of the same sex.<BR/><BR/>The Genesis 19 Sodom passage, like the story in Judges 19, has to do not with homosexual unions but with gang-rape of foreigners to "keep them in their place" so to speak. When the prophet Ezekiel refers to the sin of Sodom he notes haughtiness and lack of concern for the poor (Ezek. 16:49).<BR/><BR/>Which leaves us with Leviticus 18 and 20, specifically addressed to the Jews against the lifestyles of the Egyptians and Canaanites. Note the careful wording of the commandment. It does not say "Man shall not lie with a man" as we might expect. Rather it goes on, "Man shall not lie with man as with a woman". Remember that women were under the control of men at that time. Since the Israelites had just been set free from slavery, it was unthinkable for a man to be subjugated to another man: so the sexual domination of men is prohibited. But since the word "toevah" (abomination) is used -- which 85% of the time in the Torah is used of idolatry -- it may also refer to same-sex prostitution in Baal worship. But either way, modern, Gentile, same-sex couples are not referred to.<BR/><BR/>The passages commonly quoted against gay and lesbian partnerships simply don't carry the freight they need to. They have historically been misunderstood and misapplied. It is time to re-evaluate our stance, and to reflect upon the full meaning of Galatians 3:28, where Paul actually quotes Genesis 1:27 ("male and female") in order to overturn it! -- and to sweep it aside as having no salvific import. I suggest it is time to realize that "Man looks on the outward appearance -- but the LORD looks upon the heart".Seraphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06216177538549223181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34037941.post-13999631495327373452008-03-17T11:50:00.000-04:002008-03-17T11:50:00.000-04:00it is my understanding those in 26 and 27 abandone...it is my understanding those in 26 and 27 abandoned relationships that they were naturally given of the spirit whose fruit was kindness, gentleness, goodness, love ,joy, peace,self control, patience, faithfulness. because they were given over shame based lust(niv)(spirit)whose fruit was other than the fruit of the spirit of christ.<BR/><BR/>the fruit of shame based lust is self loathing and self hatred thaat was their "just rewards"<BR/><BR/>1cor and 1tim the greek term is "malebed". paul was saying the same to the all gentliles who might indulge in sexual behavior that had the same fruit as in romans. in gentile society males were the ones with sexual license.<BR/><BR/>maybe the reason for no term for homosexuality, because there was no taboos among gentiles regarding sexual practices. hence no need to differentiate one from another.feetxxxlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09931575208523991190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34037941.post-68979759641598369382008-03-17T10:50:00.000-04:002008-03-17T10:50:00.000-04:00Hello Carole-Thank you for an interesting post abo...Hello Carole-<BR/><BR/>Thank you for an interesting post about the beliefs of gay Christians. We are not a monolithic group. For example, I do not believe that Jesus and the beloved disciple were lovers or sexually intimate.<BR/><BR/>I do think that traditional nongay Christians tend to read scripture through the lens of their heterosexuality and therefore miss much that God has for their gay brothers and lesbian sisters.<BR/><BR/>God bless you as you walk the path of God's purpose for your life.<BR/><BR/>As I read your words I couldn't help but wonder what you think of Romans 1:26-27. Here's the first page (of 4) which gives my take on this important passage.<BR/><BR/>Your brother in Christ,<BR/><BR/>Rick Brentlinger<BR/>http://www.gaychristian101.com/Romans-1.htmlRick Brentlingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16747932588564976416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34037941.post-49535626610482930042007-12-22T12:47:00.000-05:002007-12-22T12:47:00.000-05:00there is also the consideration that enueuchs amo...there is also the consideration that enueuchs among other things were also the homosexuals of the time.feetxxxlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09931575208523991190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34037941.post-92178138623125416842007-12-22T12:23:00.000-05:002007-12-22T12:23:00.000-05:00Very interesting thoughts. Definitely thought prov...Very interesting thoughts. Definitely thought provoking. I've never thought of the story of the centurion that way. Thanks for sharing! It was good to read and very challenging in a good way.J. M. Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09367883351786763042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34037941.post-75273316318541900802007-12-17T19:46:00.000-05:002007-12-17T19:46:00.000-05:00carole please show me how the words in the verses ...carole <BR/><BR/>please show me how the words in the verses in scripture say that homosexuality is a sin?<BR/><BR/>i thought that genesis was about gang rape.<BR/><BR/>homosexuality being about human bonding of two people of the same sex out of mutual love, respect, devotion, and trust for a shared committed life together......the same as with heterosexualsfeetxxxlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09931575208523991190noreply@blogger.com